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[Editorial note] [Introduction] [Secondary comments] [Testing Hardie's (1996) model]
[Alternative stratigraphic model and its implication] and ... [Bibliographic references]

Comments on
"Estimating the impact of early diagenesis
on isotope records in shallow-marine carbonates:
A case study from the Urgonian platform in western Swiss Jura"
by A. Godet et al.
[Palaeogeography Palaeoclimatology Palaeoecology 454 (2016) 125-138]

Bruno Granier

Dépt. STU, Fac. Sci. Tech., UBO, 6 avenue Le Gorgeu, CS 93837, F-29238 Brest (France)

Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, The University of Kansas, 1200 Sunnyside Avenue, Lawrence, Kansas 66045 (USA)

Bernard Clavel

24 ch. des Champs d'Amot, F-74140 Messery (France)

Jean Charollais

Département de Géologie et Paléontologie, Université de Genève, 13 rue des Maraîchers, 1211 Genève 4 (Switzerland)

Published online in final form (pdf) on August 5, 2016
[Editor: Maurice Tucker; technical editor: Christian Emig; language editor: Phil Salvador]

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• In this study we reiterate that there is a reliable alternative, well-documented bio- and sequence-stratigraphic model in addition to the one used by Godet et al.
• Application of our model leads to different conclusions concerning stratal correlations.
• We question the sequence and timing of diagenetic events presented by Godet et al.
• We elaborate on the dissolution of calcitic ooid cortices.
• We discuss Sandberg's and Hardie's models of calcite and aragonite seas.


A recent paper by Godet et al. on Urgonian carbonates from the Swiss Jura concluded that diagenesis may hinder chemostratigraphic correlations of deep- to shallow-water facies. Although we agree with this conclusion we question their arguments and interpretations. These authors correctly identified diagenesis as the key factor, but we question the timing of events in their paragenetic sequence. In particular, they reported the leaching of originally calcitic oolitic cortices but failed to discuss this puzzling feature properly. In addition, the backbone of their argument is the stratigraphic correlation of a specific sequence from three dominantly shallow-water sections together with a basinal reference section. However, a reliable alternative biostratigraphic framework shows that this attempt of long-distance correlation might be erroneous.


• Paragenetic sequence;
• Calcite and aragonite seas;
• Chemostratigraphy;
• Carbon isotopes;
• Early Cretaceous.


Granier B., Clavel B. & Charollais J. (2016).- Comments on "Estimating the impact of early diagenesis on isotope records in shallow-marine carbonates: A case study from the Urgonian platform in western Swiss Jura" by A. Godet et al. [Palaeogeography Palaeoclimatology Palaeoecology 454 (2016) 125-138].- Carnets Geol., Madrid, vol. 16, no. 17, p. 417-429.


Commentaires sur "Estimating the impact of early diagenesis on isotope records in shallow-marine carbonates: A case study from the Urgonian platform in western Swiss Jura" par A. Godet et al. [Palaeogeography Palaeoclimatology Palaeoecology 454 (2016) 125-138].- Une publication récente de Godet et al. sur les carbonates urgoniens du Jura suisse concluait que la diagenèse pouvait compromettre les corrélations chimiostratigraphiques des faciès distaux vers les proximaux. Bien que nous soyons d'accord avec cette conclusion, nous nous interrogeons sur les arguments des auteurs et leurs interprétations. Ils ont bien identifié la diagénèse comme étant  le facteur déterminant, mais nous mettons en doute la chronologie des événements de leur séquence paragénétique. Ils ont notamment signalé la dissolution de cortex d'ooïdes originellement calcitiques mais n'ont pas abordé sous un bon angle cet élément étonnant. De plus, leur argumentaire s'appuie sur la corrélation stratigraphique d'une  séquence spécifique identifiée dans trois coupes aux faciès essentiellement peu profonds avec une coupe de bassin utilisée comme référence. Toutefois, un autre cadre biostratigraphique plus robuste que celui utilisé par Godet et al. suggère que leur tentative de corrélations sur de longues distances est erronée.


• Séquence paragénétique ;
• Mers à calcite ou à aragonite ;
• Chimiostratigraphie ;
• Isotopes du carbone ;
• Crétacé inférieur.

Editorial note

This 'comment manuscript' was submitted for publication in Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology and was rejected on the basis of the Editor's recommendation (personal communication to Bruno Granier, July 10, 2016) and the following anonymous review. We (the Editor-in-chief, Bruno Granier, and the Senior Editors, Christian Emig and Michel Moullade), at Carnets Geol., agreed to publish it because we think our readers should be informed and have the chance to reach their own opinions:
"After having carefully examined the Comment by Bruno Granier et al. on the paper by Alexis Godet et al. ("Estimating the impact of early diagenesis on isotope records in shallow-marine carbonates: A case study from the Urgonian platform in western Swiss Jura") as well as the Godet et al. paper, I came to the conclusion that the publication of this comment is not justified.

The motivations for my appraisal are the following:

1. Does the Comment raise important scientific issues?

The Comment of Granier et al. (hereafter GEA) is not focused on the core dataset, interpretations and conclusion raised by Godet et al. On the contrary, GEA acknowledge that the conclusion of this paper is correct. As such, this comment fails at carrying any substantial criticism of the Godet et al. study, but seems more related to another debate between the two groups of authors, namely the biostratigraphy of the Urgonian limestones in Eclepens.

2. Are the criticisms of the Godet et al. study contained in the Comment justified?

There are numerous criticisms raised by Granier et al. that are of little importance, some concerning vocabulary, that are not of primordial interest for the reader. Some are even useless and off-topic such as the first one in the text.

There are however two main criticisms raised by Granier et al: Firstly, about the leaching of oolitic cortices and its interpretation, secondly about the correlation of the Eclepens section with basinal reference section. For the first point, GEA bring forward original materials derived from an unpublished MSc study (Grundman, 2007) to discuss the interpretation of Godet et al. Although it might be interesting to hear further about this, it is certainly not appropriate to present and discuss these original results in a Comment of the Godet et al. paper, acknowledging that these authors couldn't be reasonably aware of this unpublished MSc thesis. Furthermore, the fact that Grundman (2007) hasn't seen some of the features observed by Godet et al in the Urgonian Jaune doesn't prove anything. The absence of evidence is not the evidence for the absence!

Concerning the second point, this is absolutely not central to the discussion and conclusion of the Godet et al. paper which focuses on the Eclepens section, and for which the observation and interpretation with regards to the diagenetic history are independent of the biostratigraphic scheme used. The correlation with the basinal reference section (namely the Angles section) made by Godet et al. aims at showing that the negative d13C isotope shift observed in Eclepens has no equivalent in the Angles section, and is therefore related to diagenetic overprint. This conclusion doesn't change even if the alternative biostratigraphic scheme of GEA is applied.

3. To what extent the "alternative model" presented in the Comment represents a viable alternative stratigraphic interpretation of the study area?

The alternative model presented by GEA is not about diagenetic model, but an alternative age model, derived from a different biostratigraphic interpretation, mostly based on differential appreciation of orbitolinids taxonomy between GEA and the work of Godet et al. (2010, 2011) and references therein. This part of GEA's comment is therefore not related to the Godet et al. (2016) paper s.s.

The dating of the Urgonian limestone is a long-lived debate, which has so far not been settled and awaits further independent studies. GEA model however implies the absence of any major hiatus (time gap) within the Urgonian limestone, leading these authors (Clavel et al., 2014; their Fig. 9) to attribute part of the proximal Urgonian sequence as Lowstand System Tract deposits, which is at odd with conventional sequence stratigraphic schemes. This is a major weakness of GEA's stratigraphic model, questioning its viability as a robust alternative scheme.

In summary, GEA comments are mostly off topic or of only minor importance, undermining any justification for their publication as a Comment in Paleo3."


Recently, while revisiting the correlations of the Shu'aiba and Bab lithostratigraphic units in Abu Dhabi (United Arab Emirates) based on peaks and trends observed in stable isotope curves (Vahrenkamp, 1996, 2010; Grötsch et al., 1998), Granier (2012a, 2014a; Granier & Busnardo, 2013) was able to demonstrate by means of ammonite occurrences that Vahrenkamp's (1996) seminal publication had reached erroneous conclusions regarding basin to platform correlations. Thus, it would have been gratifying to read another publication concluding that "chemostratigraphy can only be applied to shallow-marine successions with great caution" (Godet et al., 2016). However, in this last case (Godet et al., 2016), the application is not valid.

In their study, Godet et al. (2016, p. 127) use a sequence stratigraphic framework with age "controlled by orbitolinid and ammonite findings" that was developed by Arnaud and Arnaud-Vanneau in the 1990s (Arnaud et al., 1998, inter alia). Godet et al. do not discuss or even mention the existence of an alternative stratigraphic framework developed by another research team (Clavel et al., 2007, 2009, 2010, 2014; Conrad et al., 2012; Charollais et al., 2013; Granier et al., 2013). Here we present a summary of the alternative biostratigraphic scheme suggesting that the B3 (Barremian no. 3) sequence(s) correlated from four sections by Godet et al. (2016: Fig. 7) might not be coeval, a point that would significantly undermine their conclusions regarding correlation and diagenesis. However, before that, we address several inconsistencies present in their publication.

Secondary comments

First, using an irrelevant or imprecise vocabulary to describe features in sedimentary petrography can lead to confusion and ambiguities:

Second, we question parts of the diagenetic sequence of events:

Fig. 1
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Figure 1: A) Gastrochaenolites macroboring with the borer shell preserved; B) Trypanites mesoboring with the endolith foraminifer Bullopora tuberculata (Sollas, 1877). A-B) Thin-section EC55, hardground at the top of the Pierre Jaune; C) dissolved cortices and fractures cemented by white calcite whereas the intergranular porosity is cemented by a slightly yellowish calcite. Thin-section EC53; D-E & G) as above, but without fracture. Thin-section EC44; F) late tectonic (not stratiform) stylolite. Thin section EC53; A-G) Eclépens, upper Pierre Jaune, Hauterivian; H) dissolved cortices. Thin-section -127 m, Montricher, Urgonien Jaune, Upper Hauterivian. All scale bars = 250 µm.

Fig. 2
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Figure 2: Stratigraphic distribution of the supposedly calcitic Dasycladales (* starred) and of the originally calcitic Dasycladales (modified from Granier, 2012b) plotted against the predicted molar Mg/Ca ratio of seawater for the Phanerozoic (adapted from Hardie, 1996). The horizontal line is the approximate divide between low-Mg calcite seas (Mg++/Ca ++ < 2) and aragonite seas (Mg++/Ca ++ > 2).

Testing Hardie's (1996) model

Ooids, which are by definition non-skeletal grains, are not entirely of "abiotic origin". There is evidence that microbial processes are actively involved at various stages in their mineralization (Brehm et al., 2004; Edgcomb et al., 2013; Diaz et al., 2013, 2014, 2015; O'Reilly et al., 2016). For instance, some microbes may promote mineralization of ooids that takes place in extracellular polymeric substances (EPS) whereas others may alter the original mineralization of ooid cortices (Duguid et al., 2010). A parallel may be drawn with the mineralization of the "calcareous" green algae that also takes place within an extracellular mucilage. Accordingly Bryopsidales and Dasycladales, which are giant unicells with a relatively fair stratigraphic record, have been used as an alternative to the marine ooids (and the marine cements) to test the validity of Hardie's (1996) model. Thus, looking for some supportive evidence, Stanley and Hardie (1998) drew attention to the "aragonitic dasycladaceans" which are "dominant rock formers" in the Aragonite II interval that spans the latest Carboniferous through to the Early Jurassic. However, that view does not match the data of palaeophycologists. For example, Barattolo (1991: Figs. 1 & 4) documented the scarcity of the Dasycladales at the transition from the Triassic to the Jurassic (end of Aragonite II) and noted their abundance during the Paleogene (end of Calcite II), in clear contradiction with Stanley and Hardie's (1998) conclusion. Similarly Wilkinson (1979) provided a short summary of his views on "calcareous" green algae stating that "Modern marine chlorophytes are exclusively aragonite" and that "Paleozoic occurrences are sufficiently rare and petrologically nondescript that their original mineralogy cannot be determined with certainty". Stanley and Hardie (1998) noted that Wilkinson (1979) "failed to include data for (...) pre-Jurassic dasycladacean algae" and even that "some" of his data "were in error". As a matter of fact, although Bryopsidales never mineralized as calcite, some Dasycladalean species do, but there are very few calcitic species in comparison to the coeval aragonitic species (Granier, 2012b). Plotting their stratigraphic ranges against the predicted molar Mg/Ca ratio of seawater for the Phanerozoic (Fig. 2 ) shows that they occur both at the beginning and the end of Calcite II, but that they are surprisingly missing at the height of this interval, which was not "expected in the context of a calcite sea period". Revisiting the publication of Stanley and Hardie (1998), Aguirre and Riding (2005) also reached a conclusion similar to ours, noting that there is no "straightforward relationship between dasycladalean diversity and calcite- and aragonite- sea episodes". Does this invalidate the Hardie (1996) model? The answer must be in the negative because, as documented above, biological processes involved in CaCO3 mineralization may mask or prevail over physicochemical (purely abiotic) processes.

Alternative stratigraphic model and its implication

As mentioned at the beginning of this comment paper, this last section will present an alternative stratigraphic model that has implications for the relative ages and geometric arrangement of the various stratal units. On page 127, Godet et al. (2016) state that "Their age is controlled by orbitolinid and ammonite findings" with orbitolinid ranges from Arnaud et al. (1998). The alternative biostratigraphic model (Clavel et al., 2002, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2014, inter alia) is based on the same fossils but the interpreted ranges of the orbitolinids differ materially. For instance, let us consider Palorbitolina lenticularis (Blumenbach, 1805), which is an emblematic, cosmopolitan orbitolinid for the Barremian - Aptian interval (Clavel et al., 2002). According to Arnaud et al. (1998) it first appears in the Sartousiana Zone of the Late Barremian but according to Clavel et al. (2014, inter alia) this species is already known from the Pulchella or even the Nicklesi Zone of the Early Barremian.

Godet et al. (2016: Fig. 7) provide a correlation panel for their SB B3 (Figs. 3 - 4 ), which is "close to" the Lower-Upper Barremian boundary, as a reference horizon for four sections ranging from the basin, on the left, to the platform, on the right (Fig. 3 ). In the first column, i.e., a composite section for the Vocontian basin, Palorbitolina lenticularis would theoretically first occur some 20 metres above their SB B3 according to Arnaud's scale, but 25 metres below it according to Clavel's scale. Actually, in a reference section of the Vocontian basin, namely L'Estellon (Drôme), the first P. lenticularis occurs some 70 metres below the Lower-Upper Barremian boundary in turbidites that are directly dated by ammonites of the Pulchella Zone of the Early Barremian (Granier et al., 2013). In the second and third columns, i.e., in the Gorges du Nant section and in the Cluses section, this foraminifer first occurs some 190 and some 175 metres (Clavel et al., 2014), respectively, above the reference horizon. Finally, in the last column, i.e., at Eclépens, it occurs in karstic cavity fills of the Urgonien Blanc (Godet, 2006; Clavel et al., 2014). Actually, in the Swiss Jura, this species is also found in a similar karstic cavity setting from La Lance (Charollais et al., 1994; Blanc-Alétru, 1995) but it is not reported from the borehole at Montricher (Granier et al., 2014; Jan du Chêne et al., 2016).

Fig. 3
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Figure 3: Location map. Swiss Jura: 1) La Lance, 2) Eclépens, 3) Montricher; Subalpine Chains: 4) Cluses; Vercors: 5) Gorges du Nant; Vocontian Basin: 6) L'Estellon.

Fig. 4
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Figure 4: Column 1) in blue colour, sequences according to Arnaud et al. (1998) and correlation (arrows) according to Godet et al. (2016); column 2) in red colour, sequences and holostratigraphic (bio-, litho-, and sequence stratigraphy) correlations (arrows) according to Clavel et al. (2014, inter alia). The light blue background corresponds to the lower part of the Range Zone of Palorbitolina lenticularis (Blumenbach, 1805). See locations on Fig. 3 .

According to Godet et al. (2016), their whole sequence B3, equivalent to the upper Urgonien Jaune and the Urgonien Blanc at Eclépens, is Late Barremian in age (Fig. 4 , in blue colour). However, they never questioned the critical lack of the cosmopolitan Palorbitolina lenticularis in most of their supposed Upper Barremian shallow-water facies (although it is found reworked in coeval or even older deep-water facies, e.g., at L'Estellon in the Vocontian basin). On the contrary, according to Clavel et al. (2014), this interval B3 is Late Hauterivian in age (Fig. 4 , in red colour), older than the first record of Palorbitolina lenticularis, a simple and logical explanation for its absence. In the Table 1 below, we summarize the stratigraphic interpretations of the latter authors.

Table 1: Sequences and ages of the Godet et al.'s B3 sequence (supposedly Late Barremian in age) according to the alternative stratigraphic framework put forward herein (Clavel et al., 2014). Ha for Hauterivian, Ba for Barremian, LST for Lowstand Systems Tract, TST for Transgressive Systems Tract, HST for Highstand Systems Tract. See locations on Fig. 3 and ranges on Fig. 4 .

Sections Sequences equivalent
to Godet et al.'s B3 (2016)
ammonite zones
Vocontian basin (L'Estellon) Ba3 HST, and
Ba4 LST and TST pars
Vandenheckii - Giraudi Late Barremian
Vercors (Gorges du Nant) Ha7 TST and HST, and
Ba1 LST pars
"Ohmi" pars - Hugii auct. transition of the Hauterivian to the Barremian
Subalpine Chains (Cluses) Ha6 LST pars, TST and HST Balearis - "Ohmi" pars Late Hauterivian
Swiss Jura (Eclépens) =
Urgonien Jaune +
Urgonien Blanc
Ha4 TST and HST, 
Ha5 LST, TST and HST, and
Sayni pars - Balearis pars Late Hauterivian

Godet et al. (2016, p. 135) use not only orbitolinids and ammonites but nannofossils. We shall refer here to a "blind test" undertaken under the supervision of Strasser (see Godet, 2006, p. 373-386). Three specialists: E. Erba, Università degli Studi di Milano, S. Gardin, Université Pierre-et-Marie-Curie, and E. de Kaenel, Consulting Geologist, examined the same set of samples from the lower part of the Urgonien Jaune, immediately below the SB B3, and their results are shown in Table 2 below.

Table 2: Ages of a set of seven samples based on nannofossils according to E. Erba, S. Gardin and E. de Kaenel (Godet, 2006). There are no "Urgonian" platforms in the area above the red horizon.

The dating confidence is the narrower range common to the seven discrete samples: Hauterivian for Erba, Late Hauterivian for Gardin, possibly "Late Barremian" for Kaenel with two odd Late Albian dates (the studied interval cannot be younger than the Late Aptian!). Although both academic experts pointed to an Hauterivian age, Godet (2006) and Godet et al. (2016) still refer to this interval as (?) Upper Hauterivian-Lower Barremian, and the overlying interval as the Upper Barremian.

Over more than two decades our team has released a large amount of information regarding the dating of the Urgonian and coeval facies. For instance, we reported the discovery of the L'Estellon section, a "Rosetta stone" for Urgonian biostratigraphy because this section allows calibration of the first appearance of several orbitolinids directly on Barremian ammonite zones. However, against all odds (e.g., the above discussion on Palorbitolina lenticularis; Conrad et al., 2012; Charollais et al., 2013; Clavel et al., 2014; Jan du Chêne et al., 2016), some authors, e.g., Godet et al. (2016), keep on referring to the obsolete bio- and litho- stratigraphic framework of Arnaud et al. (1998).

In conclusion, although we agree with Godet et al. (2016) that diagenesis "hampers long-distance chemostratigraphic correlation", we suggest that they have failed to illustrate this with their case study because, in our opinion, they have compared non-coeval intervals; this error undermines the credibility of their research.


We gratefully acknowledge the help of Gaëlle Grundman for sharing information on her unpublished material (Grundman, 2007), the assistance of Phil Salvador in revising the English text of the original manuscript, the legal advises from Michelle Bergadaà, Nadine Eck and Pierre Hoffmeyer of the "Institut International de Recherche et d'Action sur la Fraude et le Plagiat Académiques". The first author (BG) also thanks Trevor Burchette and Bruce Railsback, as well as Robert Burne, Stjepko Golubic and Robert Riding, for having shared their views on the paragenetic sequence and the nature of ooids, respectively. Last but not least, we sincerely thank the editor, Maurice E. Tucker, for his insightful comments and discussion that helped to improve the original manuscript.

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